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years of obama. is that what's going to happen tonight in. >> we know this and everybody on your panel, they're all smart guy, they all know that every presidential contest is a contest for the future. and what president obama is saying is everything's fine, we should continue on the same course. governor romney happens to very clearly disagree with that. and the message that he has for these voters is that we can and will take a new course under romney and that new course will have more economic growth. >> this is an assembled intellect of awesome proportions, probably nor since thomas jefferson dined alone. >> i feel like i'm bringing down the batting average on this team. >> you never do. let me ask you this. i was very surprised yesterday to learn that mitt romney was talking about tax policy to a local denver, colorado station where he essentially unveiled a new program with more details. he said his 20% tax cut would only allow $17,000 worth of deductions. if you have $17,000 bucket of deductio
years of obama. is that what's going to happen tonight in. >> we know this and everybody on your panel, they're all smart guy, they all know that every presidential contest is a contest for the future. and what president obama is saying is everything's fine, we should continue on the same course. governor romney happens to very clearly disagree with that. and the message that he has for these voters is that we can and will take a new course under romney and that new course will have more...
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and you could see obama's body language. he was petulan it, looking down because he knows he couldn't get it done. that by itself crossing the aisle for common ground. don't have to give up your principles. if you call that moderate fine. i'm telling you it's pragmatic. that's what you've got here, a conservative who's pragmatic. >> democrats thinking those are moderate positions we're closer to a deal than we thought we were. >> that's right. >> now what he dead, and i don't think he actually changed any of his policies. i've been following this campaign painfully so at times minute-by-minute for the last year or so. up don't think he changed substantively. what i think he did was use different language and tone. when he began talking about the role of government he talked about caring for people who are less fortunate. >> not scaring. i got to get out. steve we're going to have you back again. love to have you back. jennifer's going to hang around for awhile for the full show tonight. i want to switch gears. this goes to w
and you could see obama's body language. he was petulan it, looking down because he knows he couldn't get it done. that by itself crossing the aisle for common ground. don't have to give up your principles. if you call that moderate fine. i'm telling you it's pragmatic. that's what you've got here, a conservative who's pragmatic. >> democrats thinking those are moderate positions we're closer to a deal than we thought we were. >> that's right. >> now what he dead, and i don't...
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obama wasn't in shape to do it tonight. i'm sure obama knows. this he couldn't get it out tonight for some reason. and also, on the deficit side, and on economic statistics in general, here's romney firing out statistics. what you saw was a guy who looked calm, who looked presidential and who was knowledgeable and highly informed. >> and practiced. >> i don't think people were expecting romney to be as good as he was tonight. >> he was strong. >> john harwood? >> i just wanted to say i think romney was fluent. his argumentation was good. the body language was good. he looked happier than president obama on the stage. obama spent a lot of time on the defensive. however, i don't think we've got any new specifics from either candidate tonight. mitt romney talked about the goals that he has articulated and he articulated in the convention speech. president obama did the same thing. i don't think anyone put new policy on the table tonight. >> one thing i'll say though on this point, we covered the convention in tampa bay. i was very unhappy with romn
obama wasn't in shape to do it tonight. i'm sure obama knows. this he couldn't get it out tonight for some reason. and also, on the deficit side, and on economic statistics in general, here's romney firing out statistics. what you saw was a guy who looked calm, who looked presidential and who was knowledgeable and highly informed. >> and practiced. >> i don't think people were expecting romney to be as good as he was tonight. >> he was strong. >> john harwood? >> i...
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later obama versus romney. when it comes to the economy who is the better bet? we will give you some answers. how do you know which ones to follow? the equity summary score consolidates the ratings of up to 10 independent research providers into a single score that's weighted based on how accurate they've been in the past. i'm howard spielberg of fidelity investments. the equity summary score is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. get 200 free trades today and explore your next investing idea. accolade overdrive. zagat just gave hertz its top rating in 15 categories, including best overall car rental. so elevate your next car rental experience with the best. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. >>> time for pops and drops. we kick it off with a drop for lex mark. >> people not buying a printers not a good thing. it didn't help with lex mark. they fall better than 3%. >> fdl a pop. 3%. >> a little more on the earnings. the margin pressure might be ending this quarter. i still think they are seeing a lot
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not so good for barack obama. definitely good for mitt romney. a lot of folks concluding that romney had one of the stronger debate performances last night in presidential debating history, at least in recent memory. that's not good news for the president. you can tell how both these campaigns feel about their performance last night based on what they're doing today. we have not seen mitt romney out in front of television cameras so far today, but president obama hosted a rally in colorado today, giving him a chance to have almost a do over from last night's performance. take a listen. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> and bill, the battle continues now. in the battleground states, we're going to see both candidates in virginia. the presi
not so good for barack obama. definitely good for mitt romney. a lot of folks concluding that romney had one of the stronger debate performances last night in presidential debating history, at least in recent memory. that's not good news for the president. you can tell how both these campaigns feel about their performance last night based on what they're doing today. we have not seen mitt romney out in front of television cameras so far today, but president obama hosted a rally in colorado...
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obama supporters call it the obama market. analysts say it's because the federal reserve has put so much liquidity in. some people like myself think it has to do with good earnings. nonetheless, real fast, jim, this is a strong market. it's up 30% year on year. >> well, beyond qe, there are reasons stocks are going up. people can't get returns on bonds, cds, t-bills. they start to nibble away at the stocks. investors are very slowly coming back around to the stock market. frankly, they think corporate k ceos more trustworthy and maybe stocks are safer investments these days than bonds showing a negative rate of return. >> the headline story in the front page today, despite gains, "many sto -- manyflee stocks." jim, did they miss the boat? how do you read those things? >> in 1929 when the stock market crashed, my father distrusted the stock market from that point on. the market is manipulated, whether you think it's the fed, each month brings a new story. that's a lot of dry powder to truly a rally in the future. >> some people
obama supporters call it the obama market. analysts say it's because the federal reserve has put so much liquidity in. some people like myself think it has to do with good earnings. nonetheless, real fast, jim, this is a strong market. it's up 30% year on year. >> well, beyond qe, there are reasons stocks are going up. people can't get returns on bonds, cds, t-bills. they start to nibble away at the stocks. investors are very slowly coming back around to the stock market. frankly, they...
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>> it looked like president obama was not prepared. >> the industry e champion did take off today. >> by the way, i like coal. >> as long as he doesn't say anything like this. >> i was in bangkok myself and mark, i didn't see you in the disco. >> well that was the lowest class of all. >> fast money, right now. >> live from the market in new york city's times square. stocks getting a boost today and is this a romney rally? what is the best way to play it. >> i think you have to look at the sector that is most undervalued. i think a romney victory brings back the return of normalized earnings much faster. you will see a regulatory environment that is more in line with what i think the 2012 market should be. we have over regulated in that sense and the value of the us dollar under romney will get stronger. >> karen? >> i agree with what he is saying. there is the perception of economic growth and if that is the case and less regulation, i think you are see the industrials get better. >> i think if we can get back to 2007 and 8: 20 2007 and 2008 levels, it will be better. >> how often do
>> it looked like president obama was not prepared. >> the industry e champion did take off today. >> by the way, i like coal. >> as long as he doesn't say anything like this. >> i was in bangkok myself and mark, i didn't see you in the disco. >> well that was the lowest class of all. >> fast money, right now. >> live from the market in new york city's times square. stocks getting a boost today and is this a romney rally? what is the best way to...
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romney was going to fact check president obama as obama made false statements, as obama always does make false statements. >> oh, come on. >> do you think romney will fact check him or is that too cheeky or snarky in a debate? >> romney has been preparing for the debate. he knows the issues, he knows the data. what they're trying to do is get romney to pull back and go back to that big vision. >> what vision? where is it? >> tax breaks, 20% across the board. >> that was beautiful the way you got that out. hold on. you can see the whole presidential debate here on cnbc wednesday night, coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. here on the kudlow report here on the debate. and i will be participating all night. the next three months after the activists on the supreme court turned left and upheld obama care, now judge john roberts is tanned, rested, ready and is back. the next question is will the supremes going to the right or get back to the left side of the street. all that next on kudlow. [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags, a crash management system and the world's only tridion s
romney was going to fact check president obama as obama made false statements, as obama always does make false statements. >> oh, come on. >> do you think romney will fact check him or is that too cheeky or snarky in a debate? >> romney has been preparing for the debate. he knows the issues, he knows the data. what they're trying to do is get romney to pull back and go back to that big vision. >> what vision? where is it? >> tax breaks, 20% across the board....
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obama doesn't care. i think he is coming out looking very bad, larry. >> i want to get a quick take before we bring the members in here. to me, this guy is a cheap shot artist. he may be representing obama you wants a cheap shot to go after the banks and where are the kudos for jp morgan that did this and put this together at a time when everything was unravel elling. >> the federal government was under pressure for the euro europeons. andrew cuomo preceded snyder man and declined to use the act. this is the same evidence that he looked over and said i'm not going ahead with this and there are cases and -- let me get this straight. he decided the evidence wasn't there. snyder man looked at it and he is playing cheap politics. >> that is your opinion. >> he has become a good governor of new york and said no go. and this guy says no go and we are on the eve of an election and jp morgan did the lord's work. somebody had to stock the hemorrhaging. >> there is fraud here. no question about it. who is responsi
obama doesn't care. i think he is coming out looking very bad, larry. >> i want to get a quick take before we bring the members in here. to me, this guy is a cheap shot artist. he may be representing obama you wants a cheap shot to go after the banks and where are the kudos for jp morgan that did this and put this together at a time when everything was unravel elling. >> the federal government was under pressure for the euro europeons. andrew cuomo preceded snyder man and declined...
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obama lost with his performance. it brings him back as a credible candidate and he might win all of a sudden, whereas right before the elections everybody sort of wrote him off. so we have to look alt his policy proposals, and obama attacked romney for not having any, but actually on the fiscal side, he's getting pretty specific about favoring a cap on tax loopholes, and i think that's a great idea. i think it would, in fact, generate enough revenues to allow us to lock in on the bush tax cuts permanently. the question is whether the republican diehards who say no tax increase as whatsoever will sign up for that but we could have gridlock even if romney does win. >>> the stock which may be having its best week ever, plus one billion and counting. we'll get a status on facebook's budding friendships and what's in store for the nation's biggest retailers. we'll trade the newest monthly sales figures when halftime comes back. sometimes investing opportunities are hard to spot. you have to dig a little. fidelity's etf ma
obama lost with his performance. it brings him back as a credible candidate and he might win all of a sudden, whereas right before the elections everybody sort of wrote him off. so we have to look alt his policy proposals, and obama attacked romney for not having any, but actually on the fiscal side, he's getting pretty specific about favoring a cap on tax loopholes, and i think that's a great idea. i think it would, in fact, generate enough revenues to allow us to lock in on the bush tax cuts...
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could be good news for president obama. keep those gas prices in the swing states low, mandy. >> absolutely. that's what counts. >>> so, mitt romney celebrating today after what many are calling a big victory in last night's debate. the market has been paying very close attention, as you could imagine, to the race with many already pricing in an obama victory. so what does a romney resurgence mean to your money? joining us now, paul hickey, co-founder of the spoke investment group and on the back of the way the people perceived the debate last night, we're seeing a little bit of reaction in certain sectors for the potential after romney win. but i want to know what you think is going to be a winner. >> i think a romney win, one area that would benefit -- medical device companies. there is hope if romney's elected and repeels the affordable care act, then the device tax will be repealed helping out these companies. that tax will pretty much go right down to their bottom line if it is taken away. so that's a nice 3% to 5% ben
could be good news for president obama. keep those gas prices in the swing states low, mandy. >> absolutely. that's what counts. >>> so, mitt romney celebrating today after what many are calling a big victory in last night's debate. the market has been paying very close attention, as you could imagine, to the race with many already pricing in an obama victory. so what does a romney resurgence mean to your money? joining us now, paul hickey, co-founder of the spoke investment...
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right now the vote is 60%-40% in favor of president obama over mitt romney. jetblue's giving away 2012 seats or 1,006 round trips. you'll obviously have to pay your taxes and fees which as we well know, sometimes can be more in total than the price of the ticket itself by the time you pay maybe $100 at the gate for checking in your bag, plus various other things like a sandwich. >> is that vote for people you don't want to win? because if your candidate loses -- >> if the other guy wins -- if i'm a huge obama supporter, romney wins, i might be eligible to -- >> i think at the end of the day, it is supposed to be fun. >> let me correct you. there is nothing about flying that is fun especially when you're over 5'0" tall. or $6 6'0". >>> pretty remarkable run in the home builder stocks today, mandy. "wall street journal" article discussing the dampened momentum in the apartment rental market may be partly a function of the rebound that we're seeing in housing demands. that's the silver lining to the story. take a look at some of those home builder stocks moving
right now the vote is 60%-40% in favor of president obama over mitt romney. jetblue's giving away 2012 seats or 1,006 round trips. you'll obviously have to pay your taxes and fees which as we well know, sometimes can be more in total than the price of the ticket itself by the time you pay maybe $100 at the gate for checking in your bag, plus various other things like a sandwich. >> is that vote for people you don't want to win? because if your candidate loses -- >> if the other guy...
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john, what should president obama's objective be? >> he has the same agenda with any football team that has a lead late in the game. don't turn the ball over. he doesn't need to score. he doesn't need to move the ball. he just needs to prevent from the kind of catastrophic mistake that has occurred from time to time in presidential debates. not often. and president obama's not prone to mistakes very often. so he's got a low bar for what he wants to accomplish. we do know that a challenger merely by taking the stage with an incumbent president sell vated in tvais elevated in the eyes of the american people. president obama doesn't have to hurt mitt romney. he has to protect himself. >> hang on to the ball, no fumbles. john, amman, thank you. everyone, stay with cnbc. it is going to be a huge political night. larry kudlow will kick it off as usual with his program at 7:00. debate coverage rolls right out at 8:00, and goes right through with cnbc analysis. we want to hear from you. tweet us your thoughts on the election using the hash t
john, what should president obama's objective be? >> he has the same agenda with any football team that has a lead late in the game. don't turn the ball over. he doesn't need to score. he doesn't need to move the ball. he just needs to prevent from the kind of catastrophic mistake that has occurred from time to time in presidential debates. not often. and president obama's not prone to mistakes very often. so he's got a low bar for what he wants to accomplish. we do know that a challenger...
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dodd-frank same thing, obama care similar. there's this cadre of people writing the laws of our country without input from at least half the country. >> what's the most important thing you think needs to be tackled head on. you think the fiscal cliff is the first issue? >> there are a multiple of issues that have to be acted on and obviously the fiscal cliff is a very important one. the trouble is the fiscal cliff is probably too easy to solve and kick down the road, and so therefore i doubt we would be in the fiscal cliff. i'm not sure, to be honest with you, that a fiscal cliff falling off the edge is not exactly what america needs. >> is this a wake-up call do you think at this point? it's a pretty severe wake-up call to get. >> you're describing a wake-up call to rip van winkle. how many years have we been kicking the khan down the road. that's a wake-up call for rip van winkle, somebody who has been sleeping for a multitude of years. >> you're suggesting play with fire a little bit? >> i'm suggesting that i'm interested i
dodd-frank same thing, obama care similar. there's this cadre of people writing the laws of our country without input from at least half the country. >> what's the most important thing you think needs to be tackled head on. you think the fiscal cliff is the first issue? >> there are a multiple of issues that have to be acted on and obviously the fiscal cliff is a very important one. the trouble is the fiscal cliff is probably too easy to solve and kick down the road, and so...
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so the consensus you view obviously is that obama will win. and if that occurs, the reform as essentially written will go into place. if romney/ryan win, i think all bets are off. >> so if romney wins, you have to change your investment thesis and your ideas for what stocks could work in a romney administration? >> no, not really. you've had me on the program several times and i consistently try to talk about did your only investment themes. and that's one category is innovation, that's important new medicines for grieve vus illnesses. and another theme that will be with us regardless of who the president is and who controls the senate and house is cost of health care. yes, i would submit to you that if romney wins, it's going to have a knee jerk response to a few of those sectors, but what i'm really talking about and what we're focused on is things we think will unfold over the next many years. >> among your top five holdingses you have gilead in there, so that goes toward the technology and development of drugs. how about some of the other
so the consensus you view obviously is that obama will win. and if that occurs, the reform as essentially written will go into place. if romney/ryan win, i think all bets are off. >> so if romney wins, you have to change your investment thesis and your ideas for what stocks could work in a romney administration? >> no, not really. you've had me on the program several times and i consistently try to talk about did your only investment themes. and that's one category is innovation,...
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coal stocks, one of the big winners in today's trading after romney made this comment to president obama. >> by the way, i like coal. i'm going to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. people in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. i want to get america and north america energy independent so we can create those jobs. >> if you're bullish on coal, you're going to like this. take a look at how we performed today in the sector. arch coal up almost 8%. alpha natural up almost 7%. utility stocks also higher. wells fargo saying this is a sector that could do well under a romney administration. we have con ed up about 1%. on the flip side, hospital stocks didn't do so well. a romney win doesn't bode as well for obamacare, and hence big hospital stocks fell. you can see here one of the biggest losers in the session. it was a good start for mitt romney, but it is still early. there are two more presidential and one vice presidential debate to go as the campaign heads into the final month before the election. maria, back to you. >> all right, court. thanks so
coal stocks, one of the big winners in today's trading after romney made this comment to president obama. >> by the way, i like coal. i'm going to make sure we can continue to burn clean coal. people in the coal industry feel like it's getting crushed by your policies. i want to get america and north america energy independent so we can create those jobs. >> if you're bullish on coal, you're going to like this. take a look at how we performed today in the sector. arch coal up almost...
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said what's been the effect of obama care on your hiring plans? and three quarters of them said it makes us less likely to hire people. >> all right. let's take him at face value for a moment. small business truly gets a boost if you elect romney, you need paychecks. the company's growth is in the hands of small business expansion. obama bears take note. you might be tempted to short paychecks on the democratic victory. but remember, you have to pay that bountiful dividend if you short the stock. along the same lines, romney claimed that obama's poll advise causing an increase in the use of food stamps. >> the proof of that is one out of six people in poverty. the proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. >> again, if you take romney at his word, you better dump family dollar and dollar general tomorrow. they have expanded aggressively into food to capture that gigantic increase of food stamp dollars. they've been using new freezer cases to bring food in. that's what was behind the breakout we saw the
said what's been the effect of obama care on your hiring plans? and three quarters of them said it makes us less likely to hire people. >> all right. let's take him at face value for a moment. small business truly gets a boost if you elect romney, you need paychecks. the company's growth is in the hands of small business expansion. obama bears take note. you might be tempted to short paychecks on the democratic victory. but remember, you have to pay that bountiful dividend if you short...
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democrats were not so thrilled with president obama's performance. the question is going to be has mitt romney been able in a race where he's been clearly behind the president to hurt him enough and sustain that momentum over the next three weeks. that's what's really critical. there have been strong debates, john kerry had a strong debate against george w. bush in 2004. but he wasn't able to translate that into lasting benefit. that's the best of the next three weeks, to see whether romney can keep it going or whether president obama comes out with a higher level of aggression, higher level of energy in the next debate and stop the momentum that romney accumulated last night. >> okay. yeah, i had so many different thoughts, john, as we watched the whole thing. i remember that a lot of republicans were supporting newt gingrich because just for this moment, they wanted -- they thought newt was such a great debater, they wanted to see someone like newt talk to president obama about his policies and about the last four years. and they thought newt would
democrats were not so thrilled with president obama's performance. the question is going to be has mitt romney been able in a race where he's been clearly behind the president to hurt him enough and sustain that momentum over the next three weeks. that's what's really critical. there have been strong debates, john kerry had a strong debate against george w. bush in 2004. but he wasn't able to translate that into lasting benefit. that's the best of the next three weeks, to see whether romney can...
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romney seemed angry that obama coddled them. he talked about how dodd/frank imperiled community banks. all banks went up today on a prospective romney swing and lighter regulatory scheme, i wouldn't chance it with the internationals. instead i'd stick with wells fargo viewed as domestic bank or go with really the true community banks, huntington bank, u.s. bancorp or key. take a romney kicker any day of the week. throughout the night romney repeatedly claimed he was the real friend of small business. even as we know saying something bad about small business has become the new third rail of american politics. this comment is typical. >> there was a survey done of small businesses across the country. said what's been the effect of obama care on your hiring plans? and three quarters of them said it makes us less likely to hire people. >> all right. let's take him at face value for a moment. small business truly gets a boost if you elect romney, you need some paychex. the company's growth is in the hands of small business expansion.
romney seemed angry that obama coddled them. he talked about how dodd/frank imperiled community banks. all banks went up today on a prospective romney swing and lighter regulatory scheme, i wouldn't chance it with the internationals. instead i'd stick with wells fargo viewed as domestic bank or go with really the true community banks, huntington bank, u.s. bancorp or key. take a romney kicker any day of the week. throughout the night romney repeatedly claimed he was the real friend of small...
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that's where barack obama wants to focus. he will accuse mitt romney of seeking $4 trillion, $5 trillion in additional tax cuts for the wealthy while raising taxes on the middle class. there will be a lot of talk about that because mitt romney disputes that he would be cutting taxes -- excuse me, raising taxes on the middle class. at the same time, he's challenged. obama's challenge is not to be too cocky. with good reason, he gets cocky sometimes. he's got to be careful that he doesn't is a moment like he had in the new hampshire debate in 2008 where he said hillary is likable enough. he has to avoid that kind of characteristic. mitt romney, on the other hand, what mitt has to do is prove that he's a human being, that he's a tin man who has found a heart, who cares about people other than his social class. and secondly, he has to put barack obama on the defensive. a big challenge there for him because the two are mutually contradictory. >> we're just looking at pictures there of mitt romney sans jacket, so trying to prove th
that's where barack obama wants to focus. he will accuse mitt romney of seeking $4 trillion, $5 trillion in additional tax cuts for the wealthy while raising taxes on the middle class. there will be a lot of talk about that because mitt romney disputes that he would be cutting taxes -- excuse me, raising taxes on the middle class. at the same time, he's challenged. obama's challenge is not to be too cocky. with good reason, he gets cocky sometimes. he's got to be careful that he doesn't is a...
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did president obama just win next month's election? jack welch says hold your horses on that 7.8% number. he doesn't really believe it. an influential florida congressman agrees. we'll talk to that congressman live and ask him on what he bases his suspicions. >>> a place in the united states where gasoline has now become hard for drivers to find. you will find out why coming up on "power lunch." >>> meantime, let's go to sue at the new york stock exchange. sue? >> the markets have been up all day long. we're up about 60 points or so on the dow jones industrial average and the big reason of course is the number that we got this morning, falling unemployment. we are now below the 8% level for the first time in four years. the question is how did we get there? here to explain all of that, our senior economics reporter steve leisman. steve? >> sue, thanks very much. sue, this number is a product of simple math. but whether it's telling us about the real strength of the job market is something investors and the fed are going to have to thin
did president obama just win next month's election? jack welch says hold your horses on that 7.8% number. he doesn't really believe it. an influential florida congressman agrees. we'll talk to that congressman live and ask him on what he bases his suspicions. >>> a place in the united states where gasoline has now become hard for drivers to find. you will find out why coming up on "power lunch." >>> meantime, let's go to sue at the new york stock exchange. sue?...
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one, he has to convince that president obama has not delivered. second, he has to convince the american people he can deliver. so he has to do it both things. there's still some heavy sledding for him on both fronts. in terms of the market, i think that over the next few weeks and months we're basically going to be driven not only by the political process but whether we get data that confirms the handoff from central bank action to fundamentals will happen. otherwise, this wedge that the central bank have created between valuations of fundamentals cannot be sustained forever. fundamentals have got to start coming up towards valuations, otherwise valuations will come down. >> mohammed, thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you, michelle. >> all right. we've got about 51 minutes before the closing bell. the nasdaq is lower by nearly 14 points. >> don't go anywhere. there's still a lot more ahead on this busy friday edition of the "closing bell." >>> coming up, employment possibility. 58% of ceos say they plan to hire more workers within t
one, he has to convince that president obama has not delivered. second, he has to convince the american people he can deliver. so he has to do it both things. there's still some heavy sledding for him on both fronts. in terms of the market, i think that over the next few weeks and months we're basically going to be driven not only by the political process but whether we get data that confirms the handoff from central bank action to fundamentals will happen. otherwise, this wedge that the...
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that's not right to pay for obama care. and also got point to out that he's in favor of a tax plain that will kill 700,000 jobs. and so he had the chance to answer those questions, or not answer them as the case may be but then i think even more important was the chance to talk about where we're going in the future. what he would do and what i would do and what he described was in my view a reiteratation of the status quo. he'll keep doing what he's done in the past. he'll have a stimulus. hire more government workers. he's is going to pick winners and losers line solyndra. a friend of mine said no he doesn't like picking winners and lowers he just likes picking losers. and so, of course he's in favor of higher taxes. yesterday the vice president blurted out the truth. he said in fact they do want to raise taxes a trillion dollars. i don't want to raise tax on any americans because i want to create good jobs in america. now, i take america in a very different direction. first of all i want to make sure that our policies enc
that's not right to pay for obama care. and also got point to out that he's in favor of a tax plain that will kill 700,000 jobs. and so he had the chance to answer those questions, or not answer them as the case may be but then i think even more important was the chance to talk about where we're going in the future. what he would do and what i would do and what he described was in my view a reiteratation of the status quo. he'll keep doing what he's done in the past. he'll have a stimulus. hire...
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beginning of the year you said you expected president obama to be re-elected. do you still believe that? >> yes. yes. i really do. i think that he was maybe two scores up as i heard on "squawk box" this morning. maybe now it is only one. i still think in terms of looking at these battleground states and where he appears to have a competitive advantage, he's still ahead. >> you were extremely accurate in your overall call, at least as of this date, of how the market was going to perform. you said about 15% in 2012. that's about where we are. is now a good time to invest? and then what's going to happen in 2013. >> i would be much more cautious now. we divided our analysis of the market into two parts. there's the things people normally talk about, growth rates and earnings and the economy, but also the discount rate. the interest rate plus this other fear or uncertainty factor. the fed's actions did reduce the uncertainty factor. they reduced the liquidity that took some of that fear away. but it's not really transferring into growth. if you do the high school l
beginning of the year you said you expected president obama to be re-elected. do you still believe that? >> yes. yes. i really do. i think that he was maybe two scores up as i heard on "squawk box" this morning. maybe now it is only one. i still think in terms of looking at these battleground states and where he appears to have a competitive advantage, he's still ahead. >> you were extremely accurate in your overall call, at least as of this date, of how the market was...
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president obama, there was though substance there. you always hear the expression sell the sizzle, not the steak. i always say if you don't have the steak, there's no sizzle. >> all right. from politics to the stock market. a stock you know very well. hewlett-packard. stock has been punished. meg whitman, the new ceo, is coming under fire. here's what she said. >> i'm confident 2013 will be the bottom of the turn around. then you can look forward, i think, to good growth in 2014 and 2015 as those products kick in, the i think vestments we're making in things like i.t., sales, organization, and training. those things will start to kick in. i really think 2014 will be quite a bright year for hp. >> what do you think of what she said? do you have any sympathy for her? >> first of all, of course. any ceo who's in a tough position, it's a very you have to job. there's no question, as i've said before, that meg whitman was dealt a very tough hand because of a lack of investment in product development and research and development by previous
president obama, there was though substance there. you always hear the expression sell the sizzle, not the steak. i always say if you don't have the steak, there's no sizzle. >> all right. from politics to the stock market. a stock you know very well. hewlett-packard. stock has been punished. meg whitman, the new ceo, is coming under fire. here's what she said. >> i'm confident 2013 will be the bottom of the turn around. then you can look forward, i think, to good growth in 2014 and...
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and that bodes well for president obama. but if mitt romney can keep going with the strength that he did in the first debate, it will be a very tough election for president obama. >> chris, let's bring you in. boris reckons that romney smashed it then this time around. obama looks i guess a bit disengaged from the whole thing. did he let himself down last night, chris? >> well, first let me address one point, the comments boris made about the 47%. to be direct about it, governor romney called 47% of americans victims. now, that is not necessarily a winning strategy. going back in terms of the debate, i'll be the first one to admit that governor romney had a very good debate. he came out strong. he came out from the first answer out, he was out there being very bold and aggressive. i think the president had some good moments, in particular on the exchange on health care, but what he didn't did which i find inexplicable is what's been working the last 90 day. which is exposing the fact that when you scratch past the surface of
and that bodes well for president obama. but if mitt romney can keep going with the strength that he did in the first debate, it will be a very tough election for president obama. >> chris, let's bring you in. boris reckons that romney smashed it then this time around. obama looks i guess a bit disengaged from the whole thing. did he let himself down last night, chris? >> well, first let me address one point, the comments boris made about the 47%. to be direct about it, governor...
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swing states, they favor the obama. the debate starts wednesday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> and if president obama is reelected, one of the first job may be to find a replacement for geithner. the wall street journal reports the white house chief of staff jack lew and former clinton chief of staff are two top candidates. both budget experts and could play a major role in the looming fiscal cliff. >>> nokia's into another big customer for its mapping software. the "wall street journal" says the company will unveil a deal with oracle today in san francisco. nokia also recently signed deals with groupon and amazon. nokia a got into the map business with it purchase and has been expanding the service. and back to the banks, shares in banco have been suspended. the bank has announced it will report record write downs of 9.3 billion euro this is year and have suspended its dividend this month. julia has more reaction to what they're saying. they'll launch the share increase by mid november. do you think they can avoid having to
swing states, they favor the obama. the debate starts wednesday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> and if president obama is reelected, one of the first job may be to find a replacement for geithner. the wall street journal reports the white house chief of staff jack lew and former clinton chief of staff are two top candidates. both budget experts and could play a major role in the looming fiscal cliff. >>> nokia's into another big customer for its mapping software. the "wall...
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if obama wins, we're going to go over the fiscal cliff because the republicans and obama aren't going to agree, we'll go out there and roll back the bush tax cuts, we're going to do this, have sequestered stuff or whatever and so that's going to hurt. >> how would he triangulate if he wins and they lose some of the house, say the democrats keep the senate, how would he triangulate to work with the other side? you don't think he'd let them go for another year or two? >> eventually he's going to have to, but he's going to get pushed into it and things are going to happen that are going to scare the heck out of us before we get there. >> what if romney, how does he screw it up? >> if romney wins it will look like, the stock market is going to say this is great, go up for a little while and people are going to say wait a second, this is austerity. it's going to look like the uk, look like europe. >> because we're 25% of gdp, he's not going to let us stay there, right? >> exactly. >> you'd see many more cuts if he's in, is that good long-term? >> much better long-term. you could argue that
if obama wins, we're going to go over the fiscal cliff because the republicans and obama aren't going to agree, we'll go out there and roll back the bush tax cuts, we're going to do this, have sequestered stuff or whatever and so that's going to hurt. >> how would he triangulate if he wins and they lose some of the house, say the democrats keep the senate, how would he triangulate to work with the other side? you don't think he'd let them go for another year or two? >> eventually...
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bush, then barack obama. the fundamental decisions that businesses make particularly domestic businesses are driven really by what's going on with the consumer. and i think the only thing that would worry me is if i really believed that romney and ryan were going to get elected and they were going to come in and dramatically cut government spending, that would lead to a recession, and that would worry me. but i don't think they're going to get elected, but more importantly, i don't think they would do that if they did get elected. nears no republican that ever has. i think ceos are focused on what the consumer is doing, what are their customers doing. and as jim cramer said a little earlier, i think between 23 and 27 minutes of the world's focus was on this last night. the people have moved on to more substantive topics now. >> so the bottom line is that it does not matter for a domestic business who gets elected? when it comes to the fundamental -- >> i think it does matter, but i think it matters because i
bush, then barack obama. the fundamental decisions that businesses make particularly domestic businesses are driven really by what's going on with the consumer. and i think the only thing that would worry me is if i really believed that romney and ryan were going to get elected and they were going to come in and dramatically cut government spending, that would lead to a recession, and that would worry me. but i don't think they're going to get elected, but more importantly, i don't think they...
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for the sake of a bit of background for the viewers, obviously, it working group created by president obama to try go after wrong doing that led to the financial crisis, you are saying it could be the first of many, say this will set a litmus test or precedent for further cases? >> i would assume enforcement actions along the line. >> frustrating thing about the crisis and the aftermath, the cleanup phase is obvious, things don't get fixed, don't get address ready. in 2006, looking at the databases that contained the loans and securitizations, it was nuts what we were seeing, very high debt-to-income ratios, steep payment resets. these loans were made to default, either investors looked the other way, play is been some of that or not enough due diligence or misrepresentation what was in the trusts, doesn't surprise me these actions are being brought. does surprise any is so long after after. >> i don't think it will hinder jpmorgan chase's abilities to make loans. i'm not sure i would draw this connection. it underscores a broader point we want the institution and lending and enforcement ef
for the sake of a bit of background for the viewers, obviously, it working group created by president obama to try go after wrong doing that led to the financial crisis, you are saying it could be the first of many, say this will set a litmus test or precedent for further cases? >> i would assume enforcement actions along the line. >> frustrating thing about the crisis and the aftermath, the cleanup phase is obvious, things don't get fixed, don't get address ready. in 2006, looking...
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bernanke will stay on if barack obama is reelected. on the right-hand side we see potential romney cabinet selections, glenn hubbard, he's been an economic adviser to both romney's presidential campaigns, last time and again this time, and john taylor at stanford university is also somebody who is mentioned frequently. look at state department as well that's obviously one that is a moving part right now because this interesting tension in washington on the obama side if he's reelected between john kerry who might have done himself some good with his speech at the democratic national convention, and susan rice is somebody who is often mentioned. now, this recent flap over libya and what the united states said or did not say about the situation there might have damaged her prospects a little bit. we'll have to watch that one, on the romney side robert zoellick, former world bank president and richard haass, president of the council of foreign relations mention there had and treasury secretary we talked about some of the names for the oba
bernanke will stay on if barack obama is reelected. on the right-hand side we see potential romney cabinet selections, glenn hubbard, he's been an economic adviser to both romney's presidential campaigns, last time and again this time, and john taylor at stanford university is also somebody who is mentioned frequently. look at state department as well that's obviously one that is a moving part right now because this interesting tension in washington on the obama side if he's reelected between...
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he has a little bit, $50 billion from seniors and obama care to pay for some of obama care, but the rest of it will have to be covered by cost reduction, which he's fought every step of the way for taxes. >> i wonder, howard, can you -- is it possible to win the argument where you say, all right, i'm rich, i got, you know, i've got an elevator for my cars. i know how to fix this and make it good for the middle class and look like -- maybe you're not as attached to the empathy, or is it better to be the president and say i really care, i just don't know how to do anything. >> neither one of them is good. look, the reason the numbers have gotten so much better for obama in terms of who is the best deal for the economy, whoever thought that would be even at this point. is simply because people think the president cares about them and they don't think that about mitt romney. >> incompetent doesn't help. >> we really have gained 4 million jobs, i grant you from the down -- >> no business experience in his administration, doesn't seem to be private-sector oriented, more interested in governmen
he has a little bit, $50 billion from seniors and obama care to pay for some of obama care, but the rest of it will have to be covered by cost reduction, which he's fought every step of the way for taxes. >> i wonder, howard, can you -- is it possible to win the argument where you say, all right, i'm rich, i got, you know, i've got an elevator for my cars. i know how to fix this and make it good for the middle class and look like -- maybe you're not as attached to the empathy, or is it...
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by the same token, romney can go after obama because obama's talked about reducing the corporate rate to 28%, but he hasn't specified how he'd pay for it. and then you have the issue of jobs. romney talks about the job record on net from the beginning of president obama's term. and if you do that, it's just about even. maybe a few jobs in the positive territory. but barack obama talks about what's happened since early 2010 since the turnaround started. they'll clash on that. on medicare, the big entitlement spending issue that threatens the bunch the long term. mitt romney's proposed with paul ryan an ambitious reformation of the program that would go to voucher, but he hasn't said what the level of the voucher would be or the growth rate in the voucher. if you don't specify that, you can't specify what your savings will be or the impact on consumers. and finally president obama last year in the grand bargain talks with house speaker boehner talked about more ambitious proposals than medicare than he's advocated so far like raising the eligibility age from 65 to 67. hasn't said a word
by the same token, romney can go after obama because obama's talked about reducing the corporate rate to 28%, but he hasn't specified how he'd pay for it. and then you have the issue of jobs. romney talks about the job record on net from the beginning of president obama's term. and if you do that, it's just about even. maybe a few jobs in the positive territory. but barack obama talks about what's happened since early 2010 since the turnaround started. they'll clash on that. on medicare, the...
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didn't have to argue this would be an obama rally. >> i would think so. same people who were trying to push the victory leading to the prices yesterday how do they figure the unemployment numbers here. so what we're really seeing and i wrote about it in my comments this morning, is we're still going by europe is driving the bus. and yesterday was moving up. could you see some romney influences? the coal companies that he mentioned and some of the health care people and you can see some of the obama influences. but that's kind of the backdrop. the reason why the numbers look disproportional says a blot our mrk markets being illiquid. >> what does it mean about merkel going to greece. is that pivotal? >> i'm not sure unless there's a surprise. poor greece is out there festering. everybody is concentrating on spain. greece has not been solved. would be good to solve it. but that doesn't change anything about spain which is a much bigger factor and spain brings in the challenge of italy behind it. so that the game has moved up field a little bit here. so, you
didn't have to argue this would be an obama rally. >> i would think so. same people who were trying to push the victory leading to the prices yesterday how do they figure the unemployment numbers here. so what we're really seeing and i wrote about it in my comments this morning, is we're still going by europe is driving the bus. and yesterday was moving up. could you see some romney influences? the coal companies that he mentioned and some of the health care people and you can see some of...
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democrats were proud of how president obama performed. and they think the president has an advantage, a little bit ahead, but he has to close the deal. for a little bit of context on those numbers you rolled out there, restore our future did raise money over the course of the last two years. most of that was in the primary. month of august, we outraised restore our future by a considerable sum. there's probably a reason they're advertising right now and only in one state, which is wisconsin. i'm not sure what that reason s their donors are probably wondering what's the strategy to spend in wisconsin and also to have spent something like $9.6 million in michigan and pennsylvania that they've all but abandoned. >> i'll get charlie's response to that, but tell me how your fund-raising was today. >> pretty good. >> today was a pretty good day for us. >> not top one or two? >> it was a top five. i don't know about one or two. >> that sounds like it would be about fair. can you answer the question that bill put out there, charlie, about why the
democrats were proud of how president obama performed. and they think the president has an advantage, a little bit ahead, but he has to close the deal. for a little bit of context on those numbers you rolled out there, restore our future did raise money over the course of the last two years. most of that was in the primary. month of august, we outraised restore our future by a considerable sum. there's probably a reason they're advertising right now and only in one state, which is wisconsin....
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barack obama. very consistent with all of the various reactions from the left and right so far, a very good night for mitt romney, not very good for the president of the united states. >> those poll numbers are telling. >> in polarized america, for any candidate to get above 50% are huge. 45%, 43%, solid republican. >> are those undecided voters? >> registered voters who watched the debate. a lot of president's supporters say he got spanked tonight. >> it tightens -- what this means, it's likely as we saw in 2004, when john kerry won the first debate, that the polls will tighten a bit, and -- but it also means to me that the obama campaign can't press the delete button fast enough on this debate and they will go out there and they will erase it. and they will go on the attack and they are very good at doing that, and the president can be good at doing that. it may get him back on his game. >> may not change the numbers very quickly. but it does prompt a lot of people to do, i need to take a second
barack obama. very consistent with all of the various reactions from the left and right so far, a very good night for mitt romney, not very good for the president of the united states. >> those poll numbers are telling. >> in polarized america, for any candidate to get above 50% are huge. 45%, 43%, solid republican. >> are those undecided voters? >> registered voters who watched the debate. a lot of president's supporters say he got spanked tonight. >> it tightens...
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nor will president obama. the moment you do, have you opened the door for your opponent. >> you have to look in the mirror, it's an ugly picture. >> the responsibility is going to rest on the debate mod rater who is not going to do it. >> what people are saying is, can i get somebody to tell me the truth? i will say this here. you can parse words all you want to. there are some things called undeniable truth. no matter how you want to dance around it, there are some things that are very clear. some things are true, some things are false. >> there's also such a thing as throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been effective at doing that. >> the romney campaign, they have been -- i can show you the proof. go to our website. we have all the time. again, you have campaigns -- >> check up on after the fact. >> no, no. that's my point. you said earlier -- >> you want to call. >> you said don't fact check during the debate. i sid
nor will president obama. the moment you do, have you opened the door for your opponent. >> you have to look in the mirror, it's an ugly picture. >> the responsibility is going to rest on the debate mod rater who is not going to do it. >> what people are saying is, can i get somebody to tell me the truth? i will say this here. you can parse words all you want to. there are some things called undeniable truth. no matter how you want to dance around it, there are some things...
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that is not a number barack obama should be crowing about. t not a number mitt romney should be accusatory about. barack obama has created more jobs while in office than were lost, but mitt romney points out correct lew, they are not the right quality. no, this is not morning in america. it's also not a disaster. >> ethan, jump in here. are you encouraged? >> i am. i totally agree with ali. mitt romney's been saying that we've been having x month of unemployment above 8%. he can't that anymore. on top of that, the president can say he's created over a million private sector jobs, so he has some new powerful rhetorical arrows that are in his quiver. >> when i saw this today, i thought this fits perfectly into this narrative of a country that's divided because it's a little bit good news. not a lot, and it leaves everybody with room to argue. >> symbolically, it was a victory for the white house to get that unemployment rate under 8% along with just about everybody else. i predicted that would be the key to obama winning re-election, but object
that is not a number barack obama should be crowing about. t not a number mitt romney should be accusatory about. barack obama has created more jobs while in office than were lost, but mitt romney points out correct lew, they are not the right quality. no, this is not morning in america. it's also not a disaster. >> ethan, jump in here. are you encouraged? >> i am. i totally agree with ali. mitt romney's been saying that we've been having x month of unemployment above 8%. he can't...
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obama care doesn't make it less expensive. >> he wants obama care gone, including the prescription drug benefit for seniors. but he does want to keep the most popular pieces of obama care although he doesn't say exactly how this plan would work. >> we have to make sure that people who have pre-existing conditions can get insured and that folks who get sick won't get dropped by their insurance company. >> romney and his running mate paul ryan promise to cap medical insurance, cap mcut medicate by $810 billion over the next ten years. give states more control over their medicaid funds, overhaul medicare. >> this financial support system is designed to guarantee that seniors can always afford medicare coverage, no exceptions. >> now, there's some major differences between the candidate as you see there, but perhaps one of the biggest splits is over medicate. currently most people understand medicaid to be a safety net for the poor, but what it actually covers is poor families with children, pregnant women, people with disabilities, as well as senior citizens. there's a lot there. joaned me
obama care doesn't make it less expensive. >> he wants obama care gone, including the prescription drug benefit for seniors. but he does want to keep the most popular pieces of obama care although he doesn't say exactly how this plan would work. >> we have to make sure that people who have pre-existing conditions can get insured and that folks who get sick won't get dropped by their insurance company. >> romney and his running mate paul ryan promise to cap medical insurance,...
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four years ago, she chose obama. but right now she is still undecided. >> at the time, i thought that he was the man for the job. and i would have to say after four years, i'm somewhat disappointed in the state of the economy. i need to know that there's going to be some relief there. >> reporter: kathleen, wy and many other voters say they're looking to the debates for some answers. >> small business is the backbone of this country. we weren't bailed out. and so it's really understanding what's going to happen these next four years that's really important to me. >> reporter: voters here want specifics. they want to know how each candidate will help strengthen the middle class. the answers they get tomorrow night could sway the vote of green mountain. vote of jefferson county, the vote of colorado, and ultimate lyrics the outcome of this election. >> and in that shot, be one cool caddy driving down the road. you said all these voters saying they want specifics. we want them too. did they tell you what specifics are g
four years ago, she chose obama. but right now she is still undecided. >> at the time, i thought that he was the man for the job. and i would have to say after four years, i'm somewhat disappointed in the state of the economy. i need to know that there's going to be some relief there. >> reporter: kathleen, wy and many other voters say they're looking to the debates for some answers. >> small business is the backbone of this country. we weren't bailed out. and so it's really...
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in 2008 obama only won 41% of them. as we look across the board in the battle ground states and i've been looking at different polls, obama ask moving up with these working class white woman in places like ohio, wisconsin, even florida he's moving up to around 50% of them. that makes the math almost impossible for mitt romney in those states and they are responding largely to the economic message, the bain arguments, the 47 arguments, medicare, taxes. that is where it seems to be doing damage to romney. >> you asked the question would you say you were better off than you were during the 2008 presidential election. 31% thought they were better off. 31% worse off. same, 34%. that same 34%, but how are they lining up? >> this is really interesting. this is the question that republicans want to center the election on. are you better off than you were four years ago. and not surprisingly among the roughly one-third who say they are better off, president obama is prerge dominantly, and the ones who say they're worse off mitt
in 2008 obama only won 41% of them. as we look across the board in the battle ground states and i've been looking at different polls, obama ask moving up with these working class white woman in places like ohio, wisconsin, even florida he's moving up to around 50% of them. that makes the math almost impossible for mitt romney in those states and they are responding largely to the economic message, the bain arguments, the 47 arguments, medicare, taxes. that is where it seems to be doing damage...
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compare the obama recovery to reagan. obama's behind by $6.9 million jobs and probably more important, it's per capita. disposable income that a lot of social scientists have found is the real key to getting re-elected and that number doesn't look too good for obama. >> you raised a number. the symbolism and how people feel about it. let's look at a cnn poll from last month. 67% of registered voters expect conditions will be good a year from now. daniel, what do you think? 31% say worse. are they right, are they wrong? >> the economy will be better, but it's a question of how much better. let's not forget obama promised if he enacted his so-called stimulus, by today, the unemployment rate would be down to 5.5%. so, something's gone wrong. if you look at the minneapolis federal reserve website, there's an interactive feature that allows you to look at all the the business cycles since world war ii. it's the worst gdp performance and jobs perform ann of any president. things are getting better, but at such an anemic rate. >
compare the obama recovery to reagan. obama's behind by $6.9 million jobs and probably more important, it's per capita. disposable income that a lot of social scientists have found is the real key to getting re-elected and that number doesn't look too good for obama. >> you raised a number. the symbolism and how people feel about it. let's look at a cnn poll from last month. 67% of registered voters expect conditions will be good a year from now. daniel, what do you think? 31% say worse....
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when you went head to head with obama in 2008, the polls said 51% obama, 38% mccain. do you think you would have done better against the obama that was debating this week? >> i think so, piers, but, you know, it would sound like i am now trying to rewrite history or i would have done better. you know, i've never tried to do any of that looking back and certainly not in anger or bitterness. but i think it is true that during the 2008 campaign, the president or then-senator obama had no record to defend. and one of the reasons why mitt did so well in this debate was because mitt was, i think, very legitimately attacking his record, whether it be the $90 billion in subsidies for energy or a number of the other things that -- the failure of dodd/frank, and so the president had a record to defend this time. but, one, do not underestimate the president of the united states. he will come back strong. i think mitt has to be prepared for that. and also, as you mentioned, these job numbers will give him a bit of -- or something of a boost today. >> we've got the vp debate comin
when you went head to head with obama in 2008, the polls said 51% obama, 38% mccain. do you think you would have done better against the obama that was debating this week? >> i think so, piers, but, you know, it would sound like i am now trying to rewrite history or i would have done better. you know, i've never tried to do any of that looking back and certainly not in anger or bitterness. but i think it is true that during the 2008 campaign, the president or then-senator obama had no...